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campaign. he said pounding a lot. saying that the ground efforts by our allies over there, the kurds and the rest and the iraqi army, was spotty. that was his term for the ground campaign. not a strong campaign. i thought his heart showed as i thought it would on the climate change talks in paris. other paris story. i thought he wants to talk about the long run and the grown-up nations led by the united states, the advanced nations, are really doing a job protecting the planet. but then again, he talks about the long-term. the sweep of history. his role in that sweep of history in terms of the planet, trade, human rights, cuba, relations with iran and cuba and yet he didn't really go at the current media tenor as you asked about. he didn't address the cable news debates going on here and fox and cnn every night and every day. he didn't try to engage. i think he tried to put off that
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kind of discussion by the selection as you said his selection of journalists to call on today. >> chris, the point on the climate which was interesting, kind of generational, when was the last time you saw a bumper sticker mentioning acid rain? he laid out that history of people to remember that was at one time a huge environmental priority along with smog on the west coast, on the east coast, the big industrial belt cities, the worry was acid rain. >> yes, and if all the years listening to pollsters like lou harris, tell you in the back of every voter's mind is a concern about the environment. they don't talk about it. but it's a values issue. people who care about the environment really do care about it and they subtly choose the candidates on the basis, even not screaming it out loud. they don't want to elect someone suggesting a pigish attitude towards the environment and destroying our resources, the air we breathe. i think they want someone who
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cares about and certainly obama is one of those. i think one of the legislative or legacy issues, if you will, is climate. he said isn't it odd that we the united states and polling and especially among republicans don't agree a scientific case to do something about man-made climate change? i think he's a leader out there but as you set this thing up, everything he was going to talk about are things to do on his own. closing gitmo, can't gate bill from congress and everything he's doing, even the things he's getting from the courts in terms of same sex, you know, he's not been able to get much from congress in this what he calls the fourth quarter. >> chris jansing from the perch in the front row of the briefing room. not sour grapes, just an observation, we were noting that he called on only print and radio journalists and no one
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from television. do you think it was intentional? and was that the reason for the kind of clamor and even though it was clear it was going to be a by the book only those i call on press conference, there was a lot of screaming and shouting and fussing and fighting there at the end. >> reporter: yeah. no doubt about it. the networks carrying it live and everybody wanting to get a question in and some of the people who were here often, in fact, aren't even here for the briefings or don't get called on for the briefings. having said that, i think that what was really interesting here was you did see a president who is doing what every second term president in the final year struggles to do, to stay relevant. we wants to lay the groundwork for essentially pushing forward on the things he can get done and saw that outreach to the leaders on the republican side. and they do think that criminal justice reform is something that legislateively is possible, trade is legislateively possible and you saw a certain amount of
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defiance from the president who knows that in this last year he's going to have to sort of go his own way and set the stage as he feels he has done over the last year or so. they think they have a good story to tell. you heard him talk about the economy and things like the opening with cuba. these are areas where they want to say, we can still get things done. gets harder, obviously, hearing what the republicans have to say and the attention that they're getting and also what they now admit. the president himself now admits a misestimation of the impact that the terror attacks in both paris and san bernardino had on the american people. that's something they're trying to rebuild on which is why he made the comments he did on that because with his approval ratings down, it is much more difficult for a democrat to be elected and that is so clearly tied to his legacy. we didn't hear about the republicans, we didn't hear the name donald trump in this press conference and a whole litany of political questions you might
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have expected had some of the questions been to television folks, brian. >> all right. chris jansing, choice seat for the news conference. in front of the blue door. and to andrea mitchell we go. chris matthews noted this. there was a hint of kind of real politic in the president's answer about lone wolves and how in this era of almost self radicalization you would know that in a given american home across the vast american landscape in one of those homes there was a criminal mind and waiting to strike. yes, people would argue there should be electronic calling cards. should be surveillance the root out these people. it's never going to be possible to find them all. president came close to a kind of admitting that. >> he did. but at the same time, the administration keeps saying, we don't know of any threats to the homeland. he said that in the prime time
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speech. he said that repeatedly in each of these appearances and so the question to him appropriately by the first correspondent who asked from reuters was, how can you know that if we don't know about these lone wolves? the fact is they should tell the american people that they can't know and in the case of san bernardino, as people williams is reporting, there was no facebook posting or facebook messages in advance of the fiancee visa granted and simply direct messages not seen. so there was no flaw in the homeland security or state department investigations other than in how the individual interviews was handled and no online signature to tell them not to grant the visa and more importantly from the criminal complaint filed yesterday, it's clear that farook was radicalized long before he met online his future wife, that he was following al qaeda and other
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influences long before isis was even in existence. >> we've heard from so many of our veterans today. chris matthews, pete williams, an dree ma mitchell and now i'm told richard engel is ready to talk to us from istanbul where, richard, it must be an interesting activity to listen to a domestic press conference by the president that encompasses so many of the issues people and places you kof. what did you make of the president's comments, especially vis-a-vis the battleground you are so often on? >> reporter: it sounded like a year in review piece and starting to write these ourselves and sounded like a year in review and expectation of 2016 before heading off to vacation. he listed off some international accomplishments. he talked about cuba. he mentioned ebola and it almost sounded like the u.s. was taking
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credit for curing ebola or putting that genie back in the bottle. but there are still many challenges that i think we're going to face in 2016. isis among them. what struck me was mostly his talk about president assad. president assad of syria. and he's not -- while still insisting i sad has to go at some stage, he focused on this bridge as he called it, a transition. which implies that the u.s. would be willing to see assad stay in power temporarily until a smooth transition can be worked out with different international parties. so that is not an immediate call for toppling the assad regime for the rebels to march into damascus and raise their flag. but a slower diplomatic approach that does see a role at least temporarily for assad until as the president said depetedly he
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should be removed for the greater benefit of the country, eventually, after a solution can be figured out. >> in another part of the middle east, richard, more honesty about the post-gadhafi reality. >> reporter: he talked about libya and he brought us back to that benghazi moment. if you remember, and a lot of people don't exactly remember how and what the rationale given at the time for launching the libya war, the libya war had been going on for sometime and rebels primarily in the benghazi area were fighting against the gadhafi government and the gadhafi government making a massive counter offensive with advancing toward benghazi. gadhafi threatening to flatten the city and kill the people inside he was calling rock coaches and when will a nato participation the u.s. got involved, bombing gadhafi's
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tanks and military vehicles as they were going in. he did acknowledge that more should have been done to keep the hand on the wheel, to help a stabilization process take hold in libya. but he said, we did this because if we hadn't done this, there would have been an atrocity. he did acknowledge that more could have been done but said it's not quite as bad as syria. problem is, with every month that's passing, syria and libya are starting to be somewhat comparable. libya has completely collapsed. so the lack of international oversight has become a real problem for both syria and libya. >> with the beautiful plights of the harbor behind him, our veteran chief foreign correspondent richard engel tonight, thank you for that. and we've been talking about the edges of this next and final topic for sometime. we're fortunate to have an expert in it in our midst.
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sean henry, the former fbi executive assistant director and an expert on cyber crime. sean, you're the perfect man to answer this question which has come up since san bernardino and sadly will come up again. how is it you can know looking across our vast country who's going to be the next person who is receiving and perhaps communicating with bad actors and who is planning something of a terrorist nature with criminal intent? >> brian, the answer is you can't. there are hundreds of millions of e-mails and hundreds of millions of social media postings every single day. the terrorists have moved to encrypted channels that even if the law enforcement agencies or the intelligence community had judicial authorization to intercept, they can't. it's blank. they're not able to see inside that encrypted traffic. so what law enforcement is going is relying back on human
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intelligence. they're looking to work bet we are the community, looking to gather intelligence from other sources while they still may have some visibility, it's certainly been curtailed to a large extent with this encrypted traffic and that is a huge challenge for the law enforcement community and for us because this threat has changed. what we saw in san bernardino is going to be the new normal and law enforcement is going to have to change some of its tactics, bri yn. >> shawn, at the end of the day, this expression post -9/11 and see it all over the land, see s something, say something. look right or wrong to you? if it looks wrong, tell somebody in authority. this continues to be in a society using greater vigilance, the best piece of advice. >> it's critical. talking of hundreds of millions eyes and ears beyond law enforcement. they can't be every place all
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the time but i also think talking about coordination with the community, it is the community trying to provide alternative message to those who might be radicalized and perhaps reaching out to those who might be susceptible to this type of rhetoric and giving them some alternative before they become radicalized so it is a two-sided coin, wholistic approach. >> shawn henry of the fbi formally, thank you for being with us. with that, this being the friday before christmas, not normally a busy news day, this is the exception. we have no shortage of news to cover. kate snow is here for that. kate? >> great to see you, brian. we have been watching the president's year-end news coverage with brian and moving forward. we have a lot of other news this afternoon. we'll be getting to that, as well. including democratic politics in light of a debate tomorrow
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night. the president, though, covering a lot of ground from the battle against isis to guantanamo bay to surveillance of social media and working with congress. he started that press conference in case you missed it with some opening remarks that sounded incredibly optimistic. >> since taking this office i have never been more optimistic about a year ahead than i am right now and in 2016 i'm going to leave it out all on the field. >> going to leave it all over the field. >> reporter: let's go to the briefing room where senior correspondent chris jansing has been inside the press conference. giving us the blow by blow of what we got out of the press con frons, when's the highlights? >> reporter: you heard the analogy and interesting things happen in the fourth quarter so keeping with that analogy, he really does believe that they can do some things here. they say they have a great story to tell and we heard him kind of take that victory lap, right, on the economy, on jobs? we heard him talk about the things that they have in terms
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of opening cuba and the trade deal and even had some nice things to say about the republicans and recognition of a couple of things he can't do on his own in the coming here and needs their help on a number of issues from criminal justice reform to the tpp and other trade deals so i think that this was a president who was trying to put the best face of things and i can also tell you that looking at or talking to senior white house officials over the last 24 hours or so they seem to have kind of found a little bit of their second wind. look. this is an exhausting time. they had been through a very busy year and obviously the last six weeks when the president's personal popularity ratings have taken a big hit, have been very taxing from the time of the paris strikes to then immediately him going to paris for the climate deal and then, of course, the terror attack in san bernardino. so having said all that, they
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have laid out a pretty am nishs agenda for what they think that they can accomplish. it is not going to be something we haven't heard about before. it's not going to be some big picture surprise but it is going to be moving forward on things that have sort of been on his agenda for a long time that he hasn't established. again, gitmo being one of them. a promise he made from the very beginning. moving forward on criminal justice reform. trade and trying to the extent he can to work with congress, kate. >> a small slice of issues he called it or a segment of issues to actually potentially find common ground even in an election year. as they look forward, when's the white house talking about in 2016 and focusing on? >> reporter: i think what you will really be surprised is a different kind of state of the union. he is not going to come forward with an a legislative agenda saying this is what i'm going to put out this year and he's going more of the big themes of what he thinks is important.
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part of that is a reality check for what you can do. it's always difficult to get things done in the last year of a second term and also the impact of the reality of his legacy, first, but also, tied to that the democratic nominee, so much easier to run as a democrat if personal popularity ratings are high, if people like him, if they like his policies. and they have the republicans who continue to pound away on that. so, you're going to see him getting out a lot more. hear him giving speeches after the state of the union. you are going to see him out on the campaign trail. he made a comment about that and also said that he believes that the democrat will win. look. this matters to him very much personally. not just because it speaks to an affirmation of what he has done as president if the democrat wins but also the concern that if a republican is in there the kinds of programs that he believes in that could be rolled
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back, kate. >> all right. chris, watching it all from the white house, thanks so much. msnbc national correspondent joy reid joins me on the set and author also of "fracture," barack obama, the clintons and the racial divide." you have covered the president. chris touched on this but hearing a different president as we move into the final year of his final term. >> yeah. i think this is a president who after re-election probably for the first 14 months believed there was still opportunities for grand bargains with the republican party and this is a president particularly post-2014 no longer thinking legislateively. the white house understands the incredible limits to push legislation through a congress not willing to sign on to anything that this president is for and i think you see the president going after big agenda items of the year and the biggest accomplishments of
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administration nonlegislative. the iran deal, opening up cuba, whether it's really even his push on the late bill which is done sort of almost extra congressionally and then sort of handed to congress as almost a done deal and i think the president is looking to the bigger picture issues and if not executive action things sort of prebaked in that republicans would want because it would hell them. that might be the only one. >> yet, we heard the optimism from him. maybe he has to say 2016 is a great year. but he said we're going to leave nothing out on the field. we'll -- he is making at least it sound like he is not going to back off in this final year. he is not a lame duck. >> it is interesting because i think that was one of the takeaways a lot of people in the pundit world had after 2014, this presidency is entering a lame duck that us the and he's been more aggressive since 2014.
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this is a president unencumbered of blue dog democrats, who were largely wiped out in 2014, no longer there to put the brakes on the white house agenda because of fears of their own re-election. they're gone, the southern and red state democrats and governing with a smaller and liberal caucus and i think the president thinking about what they can do from the white house to make it easier for the next candidate who's a democrat to enter the white house to protect legacy items like the affordable care act, protect the climate change and iran deal? that's really where the white house is focusing now. >> the numbers are down. we were looking back historically at popularity numbers or approval numbers for the president. if you look, it was i think we have the numbers. it was up a bit in july and now we're back down a bit. there's the numbers. 46% in january. up to 48% in june. dipping down to 43%. some of that's got to be the electoral climate we are in right now. >> i think most of the dip is
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san bernardino. it has to do with the return of american fears about terrorism. i mean, you have an economy that while not working brilliantly for everyone, on a macro economic level, the economy is really good, extremely low unemployment. a wall street, dow index that's record highs, as a matter of fact. the macro picture for the economy is good and generally gives presidents a decent approval rating in the high 40s and seen a turn down for him as the focus has become on terrorism. because this president, quite frankly, came in opposing the iraq war and consistent in refusing, stubbornly refusing to be pushed into another land or ground war in the middle east including deploying large numbers of troops to fight isil as he calls them and americans call isis. this is a president that's just going to stand on that position, not going to give in to this idea of having another war. >> and it was interesting to hear him talk about fighting
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terrorism and social media and the very first answer, the very first question asked in the press conference was about this balance between privacy and what even's been thinking sounded common sense to be surveilling, looking at people's social media footprint but he said i think it's gotten a little muddy here. >> it is interesting because, you know, president obama at heart is a sociologist and a professor. right? a student of history and constitutional law. that was what he taught at the university of chicago. in these moments, when you have national security crises, the kind of president that tends to be boosted in those moments is not somebody who is being analytical about them, a sociologist, parsing out on the civil liberties questions versus the questions of war. it is somebody more bellicose, quite frankly. what comforts the american people is a much more if you look at the big noemt all of these great movies of i love
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"the lord of the rings" and is more inspiring. this president doesn't do that kind of rhetoric. he has the capacity to do rhetorical flour initials. he does not use them in times of war and peace and national security and i think that's part of his philosophical bend, who he is. >> we heard him picking it part about social media saying be careful with private messages and public messages and he felt that the media sort of presenting it as if intelligence officials were not looking at public postings and trying to clarify the private postings that we're concerned. >> he has a simplistic breakdown and, remember, part of the reason president obama got elected is because americans reaer reacting to the shoot from the hip president. sometimes they want that more. >> joy reid, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up, controversy ahead of tomorrow night's democratic debate after the dnc puts the
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bernie sanders campaign essentially in a time-out for taking a peek at hillary clinton's voter data. >> individual leaders of the dnc can support hillary clinton in any way they want. but they are not going to sabotage our campaign. one of the strongest grassroots campaigns in modern history. we are announcing today that if the dnc continues to hold our data hostage and continues to try to attack the heart and soul of our grassroots campaign, we will be in federal court this afternoon seeking immediate relief. plus, donald trump tightens his embrace of vladimir putin's embrace. i'll ask why her boss aligned with the controversial russian leader. hi. i'm matt mccoy.
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campaigns but each campaign has its own files and supposed to be inaccessible to the other campaigns. news today was that sanders campaign staffers took advantage of a software glitch and accessed some of clinton campaign's information. the sanders campaign fired the national data director and as punishme punishment, the dnc blocked the computer data. staff sees that move as pro-hillary. >> by their action, the leadership is attempted to undermine our campaign. this is unacceptable. individual leaders of the dnc can support hillary clinton in any way they want but they are not going to sabotage our campaign. >> for more, i'm joined by steve kornacki. this gets complicated really fast. >> yeah. >> it is not really that complicated, right? basically one computer system that they were sharing. >> right. >> and the allegation is that
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the sanders folks crept in and looked at hillary clinton's data. >> yeah. basically there's data that's available to all of the campaigns but there's a wall between it. so they start with the same data. dnc has the data w. that data, the campaigns co-work of identity, build a list, organize it how they want. >> these are voters? >> voters. 40% chance we think they vote for hillary. hinges like this. so each campaign starts with the same stuff and then getting very, very personalized and sensitive quickly. >> you don't want them to see what you have written in the margins? >> exactly. the sanders campaign saying, hey, look, the company main tanning this for the dnc is incompetent and that firewall keeps breaking down and a bunch of breaches in the past. may be an issue in and of itself and what's issue is one of the times when the wall came down and breached, people from the sanders campaign, the guy, the data director fired today and it would appear three others were a
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part of this went in to that clinton side of the wall and copies information, looking through it, performing, copies some information and the question is, did they take anything with them? did they use it in the dnc saying you have to prove to us that you don't have anything in your possession now that it's all been destroyed and then restore your access. >> until then -- >> you are shut down from this information. the chair of the dnc in response to that criticism you just played from the sanders campaign, this is what he had to say earlier. >> i would ask any supporters formulating an opinion about the actions that we have taken to put the shoe on the other foot. if it were the clinton campaign that accessed proprietary information of the sand ers campaign you can be darn sure understandably to take the same action. >> and then, kate, just a short while i spoke with the data director who was fired from the
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campaign about this. and i asked him about, you know, what exactly was going on here. he's basically claiming that he wanted to establish that it was possible for the information that his campaign had to be breached by the clinton campaign and going into the clinton campaign to prove it was possible and made an analogy. >> we didn't actually, like, use it for anything valuable. we didn't take custodianship of it. we didn't -- it is like the equivalent of like the analogy would be, you know, somebody leaves the front door open for the fifth time and this is not the first -- this is the first time they made a mistake like this but leave it is front door open and you left a note inside the front door saying, you left the door open. and then they view the side view, too. to make sure it was closed. >> it's an interesting analogy. >> but when you reduce it to that analogy -- >> it is not your house, why are
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you inside the snous fie the door is open, you call the authorities. >> call 911. >> you call the owner of the house. you don't look around and leave notes inside. >> it is interesting. at this point, as we sit here this hour, we don't know whether the dnc will allow access to the sanders campaign or as they threaten god to court. >> this is an extremely time sensitive issue because the sanders campaign relies on this grassroots voter contact. we are six weeks away from iowa right now. if they can't get this stuff, that is like that's the life blood of the campaign. >> thanks so much. coming up, donald trump a loser? we'll tell you what the gop presidential front-runner said when he was asked about a possible defeat for the nomination.
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his day of coaching begins with knee pain, when... this is brad. hey brad, wanna trade the all day relief of two aleve for six tylenol? what's the catch? there's no catch. you want me to give up my two aleve for six tylenol? no. for my knee pain, nothing beats my aleve. if you lose the republican nomination, are you a loser?
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>> in a certain way, yeah. i hate to say it. if i lost the nomination, yeah. i guess i'd call myself a loser. >> donald trump last night on barbara walters, most fascinating people special. today he is raising eyebrows for complimenting russian president vladimir putin. here he was this morning on "morning joe." >> i've always felt, you know, fine about putin. i think that he is a strong leader. he's a powerful leader. he's represented his country, that's the way the country is being represented. he's actually got popularity within his country. they respect him as a leader. i can also see russia being a big asset to our country, and i really that's the way it's going to be. i mean powerful nation. they have got a big military base. they have a big military force. and i think they can be a lot of good things can happen with russia if we get along well with russia and if they respect us.
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>> joining me now, trump national spokeswoman, katrina pearson here in new york with us. >> good to see you. >> i've always felt fine about putin. people are perplexed about this. talking about someone who has the history that putin has. why is donald trump tying himself so closely to the russian leader? >> first, on the indexes, put vladimir putin is seen as the most powerful person in the world and acknowledged mr. trump, he did take it as a compliment. we are talking about isis today, global nomination of radical islamic extremists and vladimir putin is fighting against isis and others on the other side are perplexed and we don't know whose side the rebels are on and looking at two potential superpowers coming together to fight off radical islamic extremism, could be a good thing
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even if you don't agree with everybody. >> supporting assad in syria. >> right. >> keeping a person that most of the world considers a dictator in power. >> well, yes. we look at the pattern we have had and going into the dictat dictatorships and create a vacuum. we know that israel is not in support of removing assad at this time because that would create a bigger vacuum for isis to grow and more opportunities to grow their territory. but we need to do today is to acknowledge that that pattern of involvement has failed dramatically and figure out how to move forward as a global unit against terrorism. >> even republicans, though, giving donald trump a hard time for this. i want to play sound of a republican strategist on earlier with andrea mitchell. >> vladimir putin is one of our biggest rivals globally. he is a really bad guy and i think that maybe trump is worried about post-business dealing with some putin in the future. the fact of the matter is that you cannot take a stand on vladimir putin as a good guy and
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hope to win the republican nomination and not tenable. cannot support a dictator like vladimir putin. >> he says you can't win the nomination that way. >> they've been saying that regardless of the issue with mr. trump and everything taken a turn. after paris, an attack here in this country. to sit here and essentially wage war on russia when we know our military is crumbling, we have not done what it takes for this country to be strong. if there's a world war iii like some candidates are talking about. so of course mr. trump is saying let's sit down and figure out how we can has a globe come together to fight because our own president today isn't doing it. >> we had the president just a few minutes ago. you heard his press conference, final one of the year. he didn't talk much about politpo politics. he had a little bit to say about the democratic nominee. >> i think we'll have a strong
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dl democratic nominee and i'll campaign because they're far already likely to share my vision of where america should go. >> i know you disagree with that fundamentally. i can tell from the look on your face. what about if donald trump is able to secure the nomination, what does a republican -- donald trump versus democrat race look like? >> well, i think you have to ask the age-old question, are you better off today than seven years ago? many people say no. looking at wages, growing terrorism in the country and since 9/11 we haven't taken the appropriate measures to secure the border, to control immigration and to really do what needs to be done to protect american citizens. fwher a society today where the democrat party is not even concerned about americans in this country. we want to bring in more potential terrorism even after the fbi said we don't know how we can vet these people. so i think there's a real contention among the american
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public, those who don't travel with personal security and take it very seriously. >> katrina with the trump campaign, thanks for being with us. >> thank you. we brought in an exclusive report of msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber with an internal memo outlining social media vetting the policy for vetting social media for applicants of visa to this country. you have an update. >> that's right. i got off the phone of the office of the chairman of the homeland security committee ron johnson. yesterday we reported exclusively of a process considered in 2011 to add this social media vetting but it was not approved. well, now today, our breaking news here is that the chairman of that committee, ron johnson, republican, asking the president's administration here and secretary jeh johnson to provide information, kate, on why that policy wasn't adopted at the time. on who was involved with it, on what went down. i have a statement from the senator. he says to me, he says ever since the advent of facebook, we have been telling young people
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to be careful what they post because future employers will take notice. federal agencies, including dhs, should take notice, too. my committee will determine why they have not. kate, i'm here holding this letter. the first of to get it. first on msnbc with a list of questions to the questions that a lot of people in the congress, in the media, we were asking them yesterday, why if this was proposed in 2011 wasn't it adopted? we don't know. we were quoting senior officials who talked about it but now the questions straight to the administration and i would say in terms of following this after the president spoke today about it, it seems according to some on the hill it is not going away. >> you heard the president speak about it. first question. >> first question today on visas. i think we have that sound. >> let's play it. >> it's important to distinguish between post that is are public, social media on a facebook page versus private communications
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through various social media or apps. and, our law enforcement and intelligence professionals are constantly monitoring public posts and that is part of the visa review process. one of the things we'll be doing is engaging with the high-tech community to find out how we can in an appropriate way do a better job if we have a lead to be able to track suspected terrorist. but we're going to have to recognize that no government is going to have the capacity to read every single person's text or e-mails or social media. >> so that's the president's defense. just moments ago in that press conference, he was melding two issues, kate. one, how does law enforcement look for terror suspects and what goes on in the process? what the critics are saying he
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didn't speak to. do you want to make social media a regular part of the vetting of visas, even not preventing the recent attacks and how useful it is, right now as we reported, not part of policy and even when it was proposed it wasn't taken in. >> even the public, sorry to interrupt, the public postings of someone not necessarily looked at when they analyze -- >> not in an automatic way. this is the chairman of the committee overseeing dhs saying we want more information about this. >> ari melber, thanks so much. president obama will meet privately with the families of the victims of the attack in san bernardino just a few hours from now. we'll have more on that coming up. plus, disturbing new details of previously planned attacks as old told by farook's friend and would be accomplice enrique marquez. ♪ ♪ it's the final countdown! ♪
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time friend and neighbor of san bernardino shooter farook. he appeared in federal court late thursday and charged in a three-count criminal indictment, charged with plotting terrorist attacks that never happened. and with illegally buying the assault rifles used in the mass shooting which, of course, killed 14 people. officials say there's no evidence marquez was involved in that attack. let's bring in nbc news justice correspondent pete williams for more. pete, when you saw the court documents last night, it was a treasure trove of information? >> right. set us straight on a number of questions lagging throughout this thing or nagging us. first of all, it is clear now the fbi believes that when enrique marquez bought these assault rifles later used in the san bernardino shooting he intended that they would be used for terror attacks. the fbi says that marquez told them that he and farook, the other san bernardino shooter, along with his wife tashfeen malik, they were talking about plotting attacks in 2010 either
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attacking a community college where both of them went and knew the area, were familiar with it, or a highway. throw bombs and stop the cars and shoot people stuck this their cars. they were talking about that when farook encouraged his friend enrique marquez to buy the rifles and smokeless powder used to build the pipe bombs that the couple had. that sets that straight. you're right. the fbi say that is there's no indication here that marquez knew about the san bernardino plot. and interestingly, in a sort of drunken phone call to 911 after the attacks, marquez says that he believes his neighbor did the shooting with his guns. marquez says on the phone, with my guns and the operator says, how did you he get your guns when he said, gave them to him for safekeeping. i thought that he would be someone to keep them safely. this is somebody with whom he had talked about killing people and he thought at the time
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that's a safe way to store the guns. he does appear in court. the government asked he be detained until trial and the judge scheduled for a hearing for monday on scheduled a hearing for monday. we've heard a lot of talk about isis and its possible influence in the san bernardino shooting. there's no reference in this complaint to isis except one, which says that after the shooting, someone, either malik or syed farook posted on a facebook page that she set up an alias pledging support for al baghdadi, but that's it. farook was radicalized by al qaeda, a regular listener to anwar al awlaki in the arabian peninsula in yemen. whether isis had anything to do at all with san bernardino, the fbi says it just doesn't know yet. >> pete, did we learn any more about tashfeen malik and her role?
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>> no, there's very little mention of her at all. the only thing it talks about is the fact that she made this posting and that's it. as a matter of fact, it doesn't even say she was one of the people who did the shooting in san bernardino. all it says is on the day of the shooting, at least one person got out of the suv and started shooting. why it says it that way, i don't know. about whether it's because the witness statements they can't depend on, or they don't have surveillance cameras. there were two people that did the shooting. as a legal matter, she didn't figure into the picture because it's about marquez and his association with farook. >> pete williams, thanks so much. just in time for the holidays, the congress passes a trillion dollar, bipartisan budget. after the break, we'll go to capitol hill for a look at what's in that deal. this is brad.
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the spending deal will keep the government funded through september of 2016. for more now, let me bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent luke russert. the president sounded pretty okay with this bill. >> reporter: he did. i think one of the reasons why you saw such large majorities in both the house and the senate vote for this was that not everybody got what they wanted. as speaker ryan said, in divided government, you have to have compromise. similar to what president obama said. take a listen. >> today they passed a bipartisan budget deal. i'm not wild about everything in it. i'm sure that's true for everybody, but it is a budget it
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that, as i insisted, invests in our military and our middle class without ideological proff provisions that would have weakened wall street reform or rules on big polluters. >> reporter: and there's things in here to like and some they don't. for example, a ban on the expectation of crude oil has been lifted. but there are solar and wind tax credits that republicans don't like that democrats find favorable. >> i think what's interesting, if you're looking at this in context, this was the real big challenge for paul ryan out the gate. would he be able to get this bill across the finish line? not only was he able to do so, but also with the majority, getting 150 republicans, very significant for him to do that in this era where the freedom caucus and house conservatives have been so empowered over the last few months. the ryan team is feeling very good about what they did. nancy pelosi proved crucial.
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from california, he then goes on to hawaii with his family for a pretty long break over the holidays. we have team coverage on all of this, full analysis of the news conference and politics today. let's begin with nbc's ron allen outside the white house. a lot of topics came up, although he didn't take any questions, and i'm not saying this for any reason, but he didn't take any questions from tv journalists. >> yeah, and i'm not sure why that happened. in the past, he's taken questions from only women journalists, or -- but this is the first time i think it was only print journalists, not sure why, and there was quite an outcry after the press conference, with people wanting to ask more questions, of
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course. it was wide-ranging and the president clearly trying to make the point early on that, as he put it, he's going to spend every minute of every day of his presidency, trying to get things done, he's going to leave it all on the field, as he said. trying to accentuate the positives and accomplishments. a list, the economy buzzing along, unemployment down to 5%, the cuba opening, the iran deal, the supreme court supporting same-sex marriage, the education bill that congress passed, the infrastructure deal. i think the president was trying to reassure the country yet again, since san bernardino, that everything is being done to protect the homeland, but he also said clearly that the government, that every possible attack by a lone wolf cannot be prevented, and we have to remain vigilant. there was that line, if you see something, say something. he also talked about the fight against isis overseas.
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insisting again, as he has before, that his strategy is working and it's going to take some time for this coalition to degrade and destroy isis on the battlefield. and he talked diplomacy and how the face of diplomacy is picking up to try and solve the problem, the syrian civil war which is the underlying problem of isis. so a wide-ranging set of questions and answers. he talked about objectives for the next year, like reforming the criminal justice system, trying to bring more fairness into the system, and also about the trade deal. this president was talking from a very global perspective. i was interested to hear him talk about an american exceptionalism as leadership and not as he put it, the need to bomb everybody, and he's talked about how over the past five or six years, he says that he's seen come to fruition that he's been working on, like the climate deal in paris, like the trade partnership deal and other things. again, a wide-ranging press conference, the president insisting he's going to be relevant. he was not asked a real direct
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question about 2016, about any of the candidates on the republican side. donald trump or any of the others. but he did inject a couple of things, when he said about the climate deal, he expected it to be followed by a democrat in office who would enforce that deal. and he took a swipe at the gop saying they are the only -- the american republican party is the only major national party in the western world that denies climate change. so clearly he wanted to talk about these things, even though he wasn't asked. but again, a president determined to be involved, engaged, and relevant going forward to the end of his term. >> and after all of that, ron, he ended on, i gotta go watch "star wars" now. >> yes, there's a viewing here of the "star wars" film for some military families, gold star families who have lost loved ones abroad. i don't know if you have a video of it, but the press secretary josh earnest, came out to the
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podium with a couple of storm troopers -- >> no, we didn't see that. do we have tape of that? >> it's somewhere back there. you'll have it shortly, i'm sure. but it was a lighter moment. >> well, it is the friday before the holidays, right? so we can give them a little break. and then he heads on to san bernardino -- oh, there's the picture. nice, i love it. >> exactly. again, it's a viewing for military families here. that's the point of all that. and, yes, he is going to san bernardino before hawaii. so a tough trip for the president in that regard, as he's said so many times, in these visits with families who have lost loved ones in mass shootings are the most difficult times of his presidency. and his biggest frustration is to get congress to pass what he calls gun control laws. >> we'll be speaking with one of those families meeting with the president later tonight. ron allen at the white house, thanks so much. msnbc national correspondent joy reid is back with me, author of
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the back "fracture." joy, as we listen to the president, we talked about this last hour, there was a lot of optimism there. there was a kind of a lightness at the end as we walked out to go see "star wars." where are we at in this presidency. >> this is a man who wrote a book called "the audacity of hope," who came into office in january of 2009, riding an election that was offering the country a complete turn away from the george w. bush era in all things domestic and in terms of foreign policy. i think what you've seen is a president who has doubled down on that turn. when it comes particularly to the middle east, this is a president who opposed the invasion of iraq, who has been very, very much opposed to repeating what the administration believes were the mistakes of taking a large ground force, an american ground force into the middle east and not knowing the consequences of regime change.
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i think it's really important that this president's legacy was also shaped in the intervening years in the arab spring, that came from within countries like egypt and tunisia, turned out very differently. and tunisia turned out one way, and libya and egypt, it was a lot more complicated. you have the situation in yemen. so i think this is a president whose caution on matters of foreign policy has remained pretty much steady throughout his presidency, and who is very confident. this is a president who refused the idea of being a lame duck, and was incredibly confident in his own judgment and policies. >> that says, he's also conscious that he needs congress to get things done. he was asked about guantanamo bay and the promise to close guantanamo bay. this is what he said. >> i'm not going to be forward-leaning on what i can do without congress, before i've
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tested what i can do with congress. every once in a while, they'll surprise you. >> and there's so much talk about terrorism in the last few weeks and that links to quant y guantanamo, of course. do you think in 2016, we'll still be talking mostly about terrorism? >> it depends. the economy is the main factor in an election, particularly a re-election. this is a jump-ball election, which is a different dynamic. but on the issue of guantanamo, the other big theme of the obama presidency in its two terms, is the president versus congress. when the president came in, despite having democratic majorities, he immediately ran into a giant "no" with a capital n from congress, democrats and republicans, who voted overwhelmingly to prevent the closure of guantanamo bay, of the prison at guantanamo bay. something that george w. bush at the end of his presidency also said he looked forward to seeing happen.
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so the idea that the president has not been able to persuade congress, particularly the republicans in congress to work with him on these important matters for the country, i think is very important. one exception to that has been with the budget deal that just happened. i think it's a really important thing for the way that the next few months will look, that we're not going to have a battle over the budget and over a potential government shutdown. that's something that republicans didn't want, that would not have been helpful to their nominee. >> in an election year. >> in an election year. so having that off the table is a way to cool the tension between the president and capitol hill. >> thanks so much. >> thank you. today president obama heads to hawaii to spend the holidays with his family. he'll stop first in san bernardino to speak with the families of the victims of the terror attack. the president highlighted terrorism in that press conference. richard engel has more now from istanbul.
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>> reporter: kate, which sounded like a year in review article, the kind of articles that journalists are writing right now, looking back at 2016, discussing what happened, what was accomplished, what worked, and what didn't work, and looking ahead to 2016. and he ticked off several accomplishments that his administration had a hand in, containing the ebola crisis, talked about improving relations with cuba, limiting the size that isis holds, the size of terrain that isis holds in iraq and syria. but he was fairly cautious about the so-called allies on the ground. in the past, we've heard the president talk about the allies on the ground, the kurds and other fighters, iraqi army, who are working hand in glove with the u.s. military to take back territory. this time, he was very realistic, i would say, that
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there have been major problems with these allies on the ground. a lot of times these allies on the ground have been unreliable. sometimes they simply haven't shown up for the battles. so there was a note of realism there. also, realism, i would say, when he talked about syria. in the past, the president's view has always been assad must go. today he was saying, yes, assad must go, but eventually. he talked more about this bridge, as he called it, where a political transition can take place. where a smooth political transition can take place. now, that would suggest that assad must go later. that he probably must stay for a little while, while this transition can be worked out. so that there's not complete chaos in syria. he talked about preserving the syrian regime, but getting rid of assad eventually. i think that is probably the growing international consensus, a position actually that even
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russia might be able to accept. and that is a more nuanced approach. we'll see in 2016 if these policies continue, if they start to take hold. finally, and i know this has been getting a lot of attention, he did talk about the lone wolves and stressed the same message that counterterrorism officials have been saying repeatedly. it is very hard to find. it is impossible to know what is in someone's mind. he said that tracking down a lone wolf terrorist is like tracking down a lone wolf shooter. it's very hard to do. and he didn't say there won't be more of them. kate? >> already, richard engel in istanbul, thank you. still to come, combatting islamophobia, it's the goal of a woman whose loved ones were murdered just feet from their front door. now he's been at the white house to send a message of inclusion for all faiths. she joins us next. to the natil to support an important cause that can change the way you live
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the white house launched a new initiative called know your neighbor, aimed at combatting the recent wave of islamophobia and rhetoric targeted at religious minorities including muslims in the united states. joining me now is dr. suzanne barra cot, her brother and sister-in-law were two muslims shot and killed by an angry neighbor in north carolina. so sorry for your loss. she was at yesterday's event launching the initiative. again, very sorry for your family's loss. i'm really interested in what
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happened at the white house yesterday, what that visit was like, and what your message was for the president. >> it was a wonderful event, and a wonderful initiative. we had a group of leading civil rights and multiple faith-based organizations come together in launching this coalition. it was great. however, i would say that the message was pretty narrow compared to the one that trump has, in the sense that we are allowing trump to have such a broad platform to continue to spew this kind of hate, when on the contrary, we need to be having more of the kinds of conversations we had yesterday at the white house. one of the interesting statistics shared by one of the members of the doj yesterday was that although american muslims make up 2 to 3% of the population of americans, 30% of the recent hate crimes have been perpetrated against american muslims. that's a baffling number. so it was a very important conversation and i look forward
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to having broader ones with the american country. >> it's called "know your neighbor," this initiative. what's the point, what's the idea behind it? >> to be able to disseminate the message of the importance of unity in our diversity to understand and know one another and understand the humanity behind all of us as individuals regardless of our faiths, appearances and race. >> with everything that happened to your family in february, and paris and san bernardino, i guess i wonder what life is like for you in america. do you feel nervous being out on the street, or do you feel like the community has embraced you? >> a little bit of both. it's been very challenging. and as you mentioned, the three of them were murdered, execution-style, in their home, by their neighbor, because of islamo phobic rhetoric, and
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people don't know this but tomorrow is dia's birthday. he would have been turning 24. yusad would have been turning 24 in two weeks, and they would have been celebrating their one-year anniversary, and instead of celebrating at their favorite restaurant or hearing account dental school is going for the both of them, or hearing about potentially becoming an aunt one day, i'm going to be spending it at their graves, and these are memories that are forever robbed from our families. so this isn't a game. this isn't just politics. human lives are at stake. and it's very important to know that collectively, we need to stand together as americans in protecting the rights and liberty and safety of all americans regardless of our faiths, our appearances, and our race. >> such an important message. so glad you could be with us today. thanks so much. >> thank you. now that the president has wrapped his end of the year news
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>> i know that the president's coming under a lot of attack, criticism about some of the things that he has perceived not to be doing or doing in this area, and i think my message for him would be one of support and thanks. i appreciate what he's been saying in terms of working with our american muslim community to help identify the opportunities for identifying extremism before it happens. and i think that those are wonderful efforts. >> and i know that you and i spoke on the phone earlier today. you were saying you've long been involved in advocating for gun control, for restrictions on guns. and even before this horrible thing happened to your family, now you find yourself right in the middle of it. >> yes. it's certainly not something i expected. >> and as you think about your role, you know, you have a
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little bit of unfortunate publicity now. what do you want to do with that? what do you want to do moving forward? >> well, i think it's important that we understand that if change is going to happen in our country, it has to be done by every day citizens. we have to be brave. we have to speak up. we have to identify hateful speech and call it for what it is. and we have to work together to understand where each other are coming from. and not give in to fear mongering and not give in to bigotry and discrimination, but understand that as americans, this is something that we have to address together, as neighbors. >> did you hear the guest before you, before the commercial? >> i did. >> and you heard her message? >> yes. >> you're saying almost the same thing, and you're both, unfortunately, families who are connected to victims of crime? >> yes. it just strikes me that you have
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the same feelings. because it would probably be easy in your position to hate the people responsible for that attack. and i talked with my children about that as well. you know, we have friends in the american muslim community. we know that this is not a problem that is everyone in the community. it's a few extremists, certainly not something to dismiss, but we have to work together. we have to embrace our neighbors. and we have to treat one another with love and compassion and not hate. hate doesn't solve anything. >> you've got two daughters, 11 and 14 years old. they've lost their father. how are they doing? and how do you get through this? >> they're doing as well as can be expected. i'm very proud of them. we talk a lot about everything. we talk about the reactions. we have tried very hard to keep
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them out of the spotlight, so they have their own time to grieve and to process everything that's happening. and i'm very proud of them. >> you've got christmas coming up, you'll take some time for yourselves? >> yes. >> good. thanks so much for being with us, karen fagan, appreciate your time today. >> thank you very much, kate. the democrat iic candidates gearing up for tomorrow night's debate. their third. this afternoon, bernie sanders is in damage control amid revelations that his campaign breached data of his top rival hillary clinton. what we know up next. this is claira.
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apparently access clinton campaign voter information. in response, the dnc has temporarily blocked the sanders campaign from accessing the database at all, even shutting it out from its own data, a development that has angered the sanders' campaign. >> by their action, the leadership of the democratic national committee is now attempting to undermine our campaign. this is unacceptable. individual leaders of the dnc can support hillary clinton in any way they want, but they are not going to sabotage our campaign. >> coming into the newsroom to talk with steve kornacki who has been following this all day. talked to the sanders campaign staffer who got fired over this. >> yes, the ex-staffer. he was the data director for the sanders campaign. there were actually four people associated with the sanders campaign, who when that fire wall went down, the fire wall between the clinton campaign and the sanders campaign.
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he went across and looked through it, the voter lists. the three others not yet fired. we had him on earlier and i asked him some questions. >> thank you for taking a few minutes and joining us. so let me start with this. apparently from what we're told, and from the documents that nbc news has been able to obtain here, a lot of what went on is very traceable, very trackable, and what we were able to see from these documents is that people from your campaign, for over 40 minutes, were able to access, or were able to look at, search, and make copies of clinton supporter lists from her side of the wall. what's the justification for doing that? >> so i want to start, first of all, i was doing -- just to conflate things there. so i guess what i want to say is that we knew that what we were doing was trackable, and we were
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trying to create a clear record of a problem before reporting it, so that we could make sure we weren't crying wolf. so we understand the extent of the exposure of our data. >> are you saying you wanted to be able to prove to the dnc that you were able to access files from hillary clinton? >> we had to assume that our data was equally exposed. and updated reports show that it was. and we just wanted to document and understand the scope of the problem so that we could report it accurately. >> but i'm trying to figure out, when you're saying document the extent of the problem, does that mean you wanted to go through everything that hillary clinton had, and you wanted to see if she had anything you had? >> no. what i mean is that we could see that there was a problem in the
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security, and so we wanted to create a record on their system, without taking any data for our own purposes, to expose that there was a problem there. >> so if this was traceable and trackable, you were making copies of her voter list, weren't you? >> i guess you could phrase it that way. but we never -- the systems were all within the dnc system. it was all within their custodianship, if that makes any sense. but we didn't, at least to my knowledge, we did not export any records of voter file data that was based on those scores. and so, yes, we did establish proof that there was a problem, so that, a, we understood what that problem was, and b, we could accurately report that up
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the chain, and that did take us some time to figure out. >> the problem, besides the fire wall being down, what are you able to establish by going into her voter file? i think that's the confusing part. if you went into her voter files, if you searched them, if you copied information from them, it basically sounds like you're telling me -- crime is a strong word, but you're committing the misdeed to prove it's possible to commit the misdeed? >> well, no, because we didn't actually use it for anything value, and we didn't take custodianship of it. it's like the equivalent of, i guess the analogy would be, you know, somebody leaves the front door open for the fifth time -- although this was the first time they had made a mistake like this, but somebody leaves the front door open, and you left a note inside the front door saying you left the door open. and then maybe check the side door as well to make sure that door was closed.
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>> so that's what the former director for sanders campaign is saying. sanders said, i can only call this e-mail a defiant e-mail about this. he said this week, due to a fault in their technology platforms, the dnc took away our access to data. there's no mention in this note of anybody on his campaign doing anything wrong. he lays this all on the dnc and he asked for money at the end of it. >> it's a pitch for donations too. nice. but that's interesting. we saw bernie sanders earlier today. frank thorp, our producer on capitol hill was walking out of the capital with him, and that tone matches the look on his face in that video. >> it's interesting. i remember watching that video and i was trying to read it. one, this is a candidate who has defined himself as the face of new reform-minded, clean politics, above all of the dirty tricks and dirty dealings of washington. so maybe he was stricken at the
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revelation that somebody in his campaign had engaged in something that could paint his campaign that way. i thought maybe that was possible. or as we find out now, he believes this is part of a concerted and protracted effort by the dnc to side with hillary clinton against his own campaign. he feels he's the victim here. >> so he was mad, potentially, at the dnc in the video where he had the stern look on his face. >> yes. >> also the rnc weighing in. because they almost appear to be gloating about what's happening on the other side. >> they are. in the statement they put out, they are siding with bernie sanders in this. and you see the political calculation there. they don't think they'll be facing bernie sanders in november 2016. they think they'll be facing hillary clinton. so they put identity a statement, saying the heavy-handed dnc is doing everything it can to save hillary clinton's campaign, that sort of thing, paint her as the beneficiary of the heavy-handed party that serves her interest. >> and made a nod to how their system is way better.
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steve, thanks so much. i want to go over here and check in with carol davidson, vice president at political technology at rem track, she previously served as director of data integration and media analytics on the obama 2012 campaign. she's over here on the set. nice to see you. we heard so much detail out of the sanders' campaign in terms of what went wrong. he talked about walking through an open front door of a house and checking things out and seeing if the side door was open. we're all trying to understand the data system. can you help us in very laymen's terms. everybody shares the same pool of data, to some extent. >> to some extent. the voter file, what i determined your attributes, might be custom to a specific campaign. so if you are registered to vote, you're in the voter file, and both campaigns are aware of
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the fact that you registered to vote and what party you're registered to vote with, but hillary determining that you're likely to vote for her is something that she calculates on her own and then associates to your record in the voter file. >> just as a voter, just as a citizen of this country, i think a lot of us are wondering what kind of information is in these files. so if the bernie sanders campaign did go in and look at what hillary clinton had, what are they seeing? where we live, our habits? >> they've seen us regardless of this information or not. if you're registered to vote, the secretary of state provides that, your name, your date of birth, your address, and the last election you voted in. so that's a snapshot in time. if you compile lots of those, you can actually determine your history of voting. >> and it's a company that runs this? >> correct. which elections have you shown up to vote in.
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>> what makes it proprietary to the clinton campaign and the sanders campaign? >> right, in the same way that you log on to any website, if you actually log into it, whether it's a store website or something you use at work, there's an idea that you have permissions to do certain things versus other things, right? and so, hillary clinton has determined, based on a lot of different information, so not just the voter file information, other information that she has, whether she's running internal surveys or experiments, she's basically accessing all the information in the list and determining things like, what is your likelihood to show up to this election, and what is your likelihood to probably support her? and that might be based on the fact that you donated money to her campaign, or someone knocked on your door and had a conversation with you and the information that they extracted, they kind of logged and associated. >> and i'm guessing there's an algorithm that gives numbers? >> hillary has that on her side.
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and thousands and thousands of field staff in the democratic party are trained and at some point, there will just be one democratic candidate again. so there's a lot of value to the fact that all of the people that work on these campaigns are used to one system and at some point, one of these guys will win over the other, and most of their volunteers will probably join the campaign. >> lastly, how big a deal is it if the dnc continues to say that sanders' campaign can't have access to this pool of information? >> i think the analogy i would use, as opposed to to the house and open door, is the mailman delivers mail and puts mail in your mailbox, and sometimes he makes a mistake. when you take the mail out, it's probably unlikely that you scan -- you just assume it's all you yours, you start looking at it and you look a little bit more, and you're like, this was
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supposed to go to my neighbor, this is not my mail. he put it in the wrong box. and i guess there's some ethics question there about how long you stare at it before you put it back. >> so did the sanders' campaign stare too long? >> it's not their fault, you opened it, you noticed it, at some point they might have looked a little bit longer than maybe ethically they should have, but it's certainly not their fault and i don't think you can cut them off from access, despite the fact that i support hillary clinton. >> carol, thank you for being with us. today's fight comes as a new poll shows a tight race in new hampshire. joining me now, mark murray. what are the numbers? >> the numbers show that bernie sanders is ahead, although within the margin of error. 48-42. and that's been pretty consistent in the new hampshire contest.
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bernie sanders has a big advantage in the new hampshire contest, given that he is the senator from vermont, which is right next door to new hampshire. and his polling in new hampshire has always been better than it is elsewhere, including in iowa. and kate, there was a new poll that came out a few days ago, that showed hillary clinton, the des moines register poll, that had her up in the high single digits in iowa. so it is clear that the two battlegrounds of iowa and new hampshire are much closer than what we've seen in the national polls. >> mark, can i get your take on everything we've just heard for the past few minutes about bernie sanders' campaign and the dnc and the statement that steve kornacki read from the candidate himself. >> this is an amazing story. i've been following it all day and making phone calls. what i will say from a 30,000-foot view of it is that you have something where the bernie sanders' campaign has had big, deep suspicions of the dnc,
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particularly since debbie wasserman schultz has had ties to the clinton campaign dating back to the 2008 race. on the other hand, bernie sanders and his team don't have big ties to the democratic party that much, given that bernie sanders was an independent before making this presidential bid. >> all right, mark murray, thanks so much for the analysis. ted cruz is heading to georgia today to shore up support there. one stop in a dozen stops ahead of super tuesday. nbc's hallie jackson joins me from ken saw, georgia, where the rally is going to kick off. looking behind you, is that a christmas tree? >> it sure. part of the ted cruz, country christmas tour. it's this fly-around. we're here in an airport hangar. the senator will meet with his team and head in to talk to
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folks here. this is something we've seen ted cruz do in vegas, in minnesota, earlier today as well. part of his longer term strategy to look beyond the first four early states and instead, make a play for some of the later states as well. obviously the campaign feels very good about where it is in iowa, where ted cruz has been leading in recent polls. but they want to make sure they have the infrastructure and resources in place to make a play on super tuesday. the senator actually had to move his campaign stop here later today because he returned to washington to vote on that omnibus spending bill and that's at the crux of what we're seeing today develop as a fight now between senator cruz and senator marco rubio. rubio missed the omnibus vote to be on the campaign trail. he's in iowa today. and it's something that cruz's campaign has taken note of. senator rubio has come under fire for missing votes. his campaign says that running
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>> so probably not a huge surprise here, donald trump was
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the most searched for candidate on google following this week's debate, but what are people trying to find out about the front-runner in the gop? for that, i come to cal perry. this is fascinating stuff. >> we're trying to figure out what the tipping point was when we all became trump obsessed, when google was taken over by trump. we found out, it was the last debate. not this most recent one, but the debate on november 10th. we'll show you before that debate, what it looks like on the national map. this is county by county. you'll see on the first map, pretty good thing for all the candidates. everybody's being searched for here. >> every color is a different candidate. >> every color is a different candidate. this is what america looked like before the last debate, and then this is after the november tenth debate and you can see the color has gone red. >> red is trump? >> red is trump. people stopped searching for the other candidates and are
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searching for information on donald trump. the top searches are, donald trump's net worth, estimated around $4 billion. >> is that all? >> yeah. okay. >> and donald trump president. those three words. donald trump twitter. and the fourth one is mac miller. a hip-hop artist who wrote a song in 2011 -- >> i'm going to pretend that i knew what you were talking about. >> he wrote a song in 2011, i had to google it, wrote a song called donald trump. donald trump originally complimented on the song and then a little bit later said he wanted a cut from the proceeds. >> really? that's why he trends. >> that's why. >> my favorite thing that i saw was trump bun. the trump man bun. right. and people are having a lot of fun with memes about his hair
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joining the search for the so-called affluenza teen, ethan couch is missing, and there's a warrant out for his arrest, after he violated the terms of his probation. you probably remember this case. 2 1/2 years ago, the then 16-year-old pleaded guilty to four counts of intoxication manslaughter for killing four people, while driving drunk. a judge gave him ten years probation, and no jail time. his so-called affluenza defense was that his rich parents never disciplined him, so he didn't know about consequences. that sentence sparked outrage and questions about the legal system. now he's missing and so is his mother. >> we welcome any assistance we can get at this point. they have a lot of manpower, they have a lot of expertise they can lend to the effort, but i feel like we'll find them, with all the resources that we have available now to go after that. i think it will be hard for them to stay hidden anywhere.
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>> so what happens now? and what could the future be for the affluenza defense as a legal matter? ari melber is here with us again. this case captured everybody's attention when it first happened, this affluenza argument. >> yeah, it's almost as stupid as it is engaging. the stupid part being that obviously you don't feel like just because someone has extra money and wealth that sort of was in a bubble that that is a defense. the angering part is the real part, this isn't just some made-up defense or story, people's lives lost. now, he was a minor legally, right? and a vehicular homicide type situation is different, and not given a lot of years. some people say, four people are dead, he should get 20 or 30 years. that's not the way most states deal with what is essentially an inadvertent homicide. having said that, this was still by any stretch of the
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imagination, a ridiculous outcome. and now you see him on the lam. anything could happen if they catch him. >> here's what todd clement, the attorney for some of the victims' families, here's what he had to say. >> i think finally the jig was up and i think everybody knows it. and rather than face the music, he simply decided to flee, and it seems like his mother with him. >> so if they find them, nobody knows where they are, right? but they're looking. >> that's what we're hearing. >> so what happens? >> you can deal with the probation violation. so you say probation is, okay, we're going easy on you and we'll see how it goes, but you have to do a lot of things. one of them is obviously not be out on the lam. so you have a probation violation, you can have basically enforcement for the underlying charges, some questions about, he was a minor then, but he's apparently of age now, 18. but it could be up to ten years, if you threw everything at him. so i think this goes to one of the larger questions we have on these type of cases, which is
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why does it seem like we have such a wide variance in the way punishment works in this country. and the legal answer, number one, we have a lot of different rules in different places. that's not automatically unfair. number two, sometimes it does seem like people are getting different treatment, whether that's from judges, or juries or prosecutors. but you don't need to be a lawyer at the end of the day to look at this and go, somebody got away with something and it's not fair. and that feeling you have from a lot of people is justified. >> weren't there pictures a week ago where somebody thought they saw him playing beer pong or something? >> so apparently there are allegations and reports that that occurred. we can report that's alleged and those pictures exist. we are not going to show the pictures until we're able to confirm it, which we have not. but evidence is debated and contested. that's another piece of alleged or potential evidence here that goes to what has he been doing, is he violating his probation, is he acting responsibly, or is
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this someone who is a repeat offender and should he be dealt with harshly? >> ari melber, thanks so much. that's going to do it for this hour of television on msnbc. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's friday, president obama is vowing to leave it all out on the field in the 2016 race. marco rubio punts a big senate vote, but then criticizes it. and the sanders campaign accused of dnc of unsportsman like contact, but who really made the error? it's "mtp daily," and it starts right now. good evening from washington. i'm chuck todd, this is "mtp daily." after a shellacking in 2014, democrats worried 2015 would be a lame-duck year, particularly for the president. instead, president obama scored a string of victories. and today in his final news


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